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- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:30:12 PDT
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- Subject: Ham-Policy Digest V94 #427
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- Ham-Policy Digest Wed, 7 Sep 94 Volume 94 : Issue 427
-
- Today's Topics:
- Equipment modification & the FCC
- More Code. (2 msgs)
- Novice class licence and remote computer access. Is it legal?
- Sum'tin for nut'in and chicks for free (2 msgs)
-
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- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 02:19:12 GMT
- From: news.Hawaii.Edu!kahuna!jeffrey@ames.arpa
- Subject: Equipment modification & the FCC
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <CSLE87-060994114800@145.39.1.10> CSLE87@email.mot.com (Karl Beckman) writes:
- >
- >By the way, does anybody understand the difference between "marine" and
- >"maritime" operation as defined by the FCC?? Marine is when you are inside
- >the coastal limits of the USA and therefore subject to FCC jurisdiction.
- >Maritime operation is ONLY in international waters and you are then subject
- >only to the International Maritime requirements.
-
- Sorry, but if you hold a US license and you use that license to
- transmit on the `maritime' frequencies you are subject to US/FCC
- laws, no matter where in the world you are.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 03:11:24 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!facstaff.wisc.edu!bmicales@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: More Code.
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <34gjgl$ai4@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> md@pstc3.pstc.brown.edu (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
- >bmicales@facstaff.wisc.edu (Bruce Micales) writes:
- >> If you are timing out a repeater than you are not using the proper
- >> operating technique (also a skill). I made a mistake when I got my first 2
- >> meter rig by calling out a general CQ (CQ CQ CQ from WA2DEU) - as I was
- >> quickly informed. Some of the operating practices on HF and VHF are very
- >> different.
-
- >We recently had an old timer show up on a statewide-coverage machine
- >calling CQ. People laughed at him. But, they forgot that when this ham
- >got licensed, 2 meters was an experimental band and there was no such
- >thing as a repeater. You made a contact on 2 meters by calling CQ. He was
- >quite pleasant and had alot of interesting
- >anecdotes about amateur radio to share.
-
- However, 2 meters is no longer an experimental band and unless you are
- operating simplex, the accepted technique is not to call CQ but merely
- inform others your are on frequency ("This is WA2DEU monitoring" or "
- WA2DEU monitoring"). Therefore, the statement stands: operating practices
- differ from HF and VHF. IMHO, you should learn about them preferably
- before operating on that band (hind sight is always 20/20 :-) ).
-
- However, I am glad to hear that no one held this
- against him and you all (opps - there goes my Southern ancestry :-) ) had a
- pleasant chat.
-
- >> Yes SSB is speech, however, if you do not understand the slang than how can
- >> you communicate??
-
- >Uh, with english, maybe? "This is KD1HZ. Anyone on the repeater with time
- >for a brief chat?"
- Cute....of course with English! Just in those times when you need to pass
- information quickly, understanding those slang (I prefer short hand) terms,
- might help....just like Q signals on CW.
-
- Bruce Micales
- WA2DEU
- P.S. How about: "This is KD1HZ. Anyone on frequency for a signal check?" or
- "This is KD1HZ monitoring."
-
-
- >MD
- >--
- >-- #queue <dire_straits.voc>
- >-- "I want my,
- >-- I want my,
- >-- I want my free CB..."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 03:26:47 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!F180-174.net.wisc.edu!bmicales@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: More Code.
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <34gk6c$auq@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> md@pstc3.pstc.brown.edu (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
- >From: md@pstc3.pstc.brown.edu (Michael P. Deignan)
- >Subject: Re: More Code.
- >Date: 6 Sep 1994 02:29:32 GMT
-
- >bmicales@facstaff.wisc.edu (Bruce Micales) writes:
-
- >> Not true - a friend of mine has (and others have) used the factory approved
- >> mods for their HT to extend the receive frequencies.
-
- >Oh boy. Really tough stuff, these days.
-
- >Step 1. Open case.
- >Step 2. Snip colored wire
- >Step 3. Close case.
-
- >I stand corrected. They're all Real Hams(tm) now.
-
- True they are easy, however, you stated that no one modifies their radios
- any more....there was nothing indicating the degree of difficulty to this
- statement.
-
- >> What about schematics? My Yaesu came with one. True, a lot of todays
- >> construction techniques use surface mount technology or other technologies (
- >> making it hard to work on), but I can read the schematic (a skill developed
- >> when getting my license).
-
- >Oh sure, most people can read a schematic. That's a capacitor. That's a
- >resistor. Hand a schematic to someone today and ask them to identify the
- >455khz IF circuitry. Not to mention all the custom chips manufacturers
- >have in their radios -- you can't identify them and know their function
- >without appropriate information from the manufacturer.
-
- Again, you stated that no one knew what was in their radio...no specifics
- were given. Some schematics do come with block diagrams that nicely point
- out what the chip may do and the ID of that chip (my ICOM IC-2GAT does).
-
-
- >> However, I believe within these skills is the "given" that
- >> you can "troubleshoot" your equipment and fix it. Troubleshooting and
- >> repair are not common sense, they require that you know something of the
- >> equipment which you are working on (hmmmm, sounds like a skill to me!).
-
- >If you call keying up your radio and knowing whether or not you've made
- >a contact with someone else a skill I guess I'd agree with you.
-
- No - this is not what I mean. What does a change in SWR mean? What can
- cause it? How do I locate the problem and fix it? These are just some
- examples of "troubleshooting" and repair that a ham should be able to do.
- Also, we should not be afraid of seeking the help and/or advice of other
- hams.
-
- Bruce Micales
- WA2DEU
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 03:37:31 GMT
- From: netcomsv!netcom.com!russek@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: Novice class licence and remote computer access. Is it legal?
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- Help!
- I'm very excited about getting into Amateur Radio. One of the MAJOR reasons
- why I started up the hobby is so that I can remotely controll my 486 dx 50
- from a small 8086 palmtop PC remotely(through a 2 meter HT). After studying
- for the test, I noticed one question's answer saws that you are "NEVER"
- allowed to have an unattended transmitter. On the other hand it expressly
- states that in the 2 meter band, remote access is allowed. I don't get it!
- Does this mean I can or cannot have my PC unattended doing either DATA or
- what I hope to be the first to design, Voice recognition and artificial
- intelligence(sorta like the well hatted "BOTS" on IRC, only now on 2M HAM :)
- I will only have a Novice licence when I start this, I'm going to test for
- technitian plus but I haven't studied the Tech stuff enough(element 3 ques.)
- Please E-mail me back so I know what to work around.
-
- P.S. for those techies out there, I've modified some pagers to operate off
- the 144Mhz range and I plan to use them as Radio Modems, I figure that a
- pager would have EXCELENT resistance from noise and reliable high speed
- capabilities (It also puts out a perfect serial signal if ya tap the
- processor) Nice way to give pagers to the whole pamily w/o paying the local
- pager companies.
- Thanks in Advance for the help, hope to be on the air soon!
-
- - Cory -
-
- Also, where beside internet can a person go to get this kind of info?
- AND WHERE ARE ALL THE RADIO MAGAZINES!?!?! I went in to 3 book stores and
- not one of them had a radio magazine.
- L8R
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 6 Sep 1994 20:04:12 -0600
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Sum'tin for nut'in and chicks for free
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <34ijf2$h4c@chnews.intel.com>,
- Cecil A. Moore -FT-~ <cmoore@fallout> wrote:
- >Most of the no-code tech's I know are engineers. A couple are PhD's.
-
- Not around here (the Houston area).
-
- >So you believe that graduate EE's are detrimental to the Amateur Radio
- >Service? Don't you realize that you have engineers to thank for the
- >existence of radio?
-
- Go back and read what I wrote. I don't think graduate EEs are detrimental. I
- do think that _only_ graduate EEs would be detrimental, and I think that
- making exceptions in the requirements for any group would be detrimental.
- Everyone should be required to take and pass any elements of the test that
- they are physically able to.
- --
- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
- jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
- The US Constitution: 1789-1994. RIP.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 6 Sep 1994 20:07:08 -0600
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Sum'tin for nut'in and chicks for free
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <34ik6m$h4c@chnews.intel.com>,
- Cecil A. Moore -FT-~ <cmoore@fallout> wrote:
- >The reason that the non-technical population have a ham radio to talk into
- >is because radio was (and is) an engineer's playground. Technical and non-
- >technical folk are not in competition... they complement each other.
-
- Agreed. Why, then, do you want to run off the non-technical types by skewing
- the exams toward the graduate EE? That's exactly what your proposal would
- cause.
-
- >Have you any _rational_ reasons for believing that engineers might
- >"cause destruction of the service"?
-
- Again, go back and read what I wrote. I don't think that engineers would
- cause destruction of the service. Favoring engineers _AT THE EXPENSE OF NON
- ENGINEERS_ would.
- --
- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
- jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
- The US Constitution: 1789-1994. RIP.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 02:49:30 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!F180-174.net.wisc.edu!bmicales@network.ucsd.edu
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- References <34fban$eaj@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, <bmicales.265.2E6BA474@facstaff.wisc.edu>, <1994Sep5.165256.155@cam1>■â
- Subject : Re: More Code.
-
- In article <1994Sep5.165256.155@cam1> henderson@mln.com (Javier Henderson) writes:
- >From: henderson@mln.com (Javier Henderson)
- >Subject: Re: More Code.
- >Date: 5 Sep 94 16:52:56 PDT
-
- >In article <bmicales.265.2E6BA474@facstaff.wisc.edu>, bmicales@facstaff.wisc.edu (Bruce Micales) writes:
- >>
- >> If you are timing out a repeater than you are not using the proper
- >> operating technique (also a skill). I made a mistake when I got my first 2
- >> meter rig by calling out a general CQ (CQ CQ CQ from WA2DEU) - as I was
- >> quickly informed. Some of the operating practices on HF and VHF are very
- >> different.
- >>
- >> Yes SSB is speech, however, if you do not understand the slang than how can
- >> you communicate??
-
- >Ahm, in English maybe? Or Spanish, Italian, etc, whatever the local language
- >is.
- Cute....but, my question is more to the point --- if you don't understand
- the "shorthand" (or slang) then you may not be able to effectively
- communicate.
-
- Bruce Micales
- WA2DEU
- P.S. The key words are MAY NOT and EFFECTIVELY (sorry for the caps...just
- for emphasis).
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:58:02 GMT
- From: world!dts@uunet.uu.net
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- References <090294164801Rnf0.78@amcomp.com>, <lenwink.208.0007C172@indirect.com>, <34e3h4$9c3@gti.gti.net>
- Subject : Re: Tandy's Proposed Family Radio Service
-
- In article <34e3h4$9c3@gti.gti.net>, Glen Johnson <wb2mpk@gti.gti.net> wrote:
- >Problem with a fee-based license is that money can't go to the FCC to be
- >used to enforce the rules. The FCC gets whatever money Congress says it
- >can have, and every dime the FCC collects for anything goes into the
- >General Fund, a.k.a. that great black hole all your tax money goes into.
- >
-
- So we need to get Congress to change the rules. As you say, the
- money goes whereever congress says it goes. Congress CAN pass a law
- indicating that funds from any given source go to a particular place.
- Just because funds at the moment go into the common fund does not
- mean that it MUST be that way.
-
- Even with the money going to the general fund, the FCC will have a better
- case for GETTING money from the general fund for enforcement when they can
- show dollars being ADDED to the general fund from license fees. This is
- a common approach in business settings as well.
-
- If funds are not collected from fees, they will be collected from your
- income taxes, or services will not be provided at all. There's no free
- lunch, employees of any organization have to be paid, etc. Sooner or
- later, you get services of some sort for your dollars.
-
-
- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
- Daniel Senie Internet: dts@world.std.com
- Daniel Senie Consulting n1jeb@world.std.com
- 508-779-0439 Compuserve: 74176,1347
-
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-
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